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  My Son Responds to his JW Mom's Condescending " Guilt Inspiring" E-Mail

  by flipper in

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  some of you may have read my jw ex-wife's e-mail to my son last night after i posted it.

  this is my son's e-mail response to his mothers initial e-mail.

  i think i'll just let this speak for itself.

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  cognizant dissident

  Wow Flipper!

  That is one of the best, if not the best, email responses to any JW I`ve ever read on this forum. You have reason to be proud of that young man and no reason to worry. He is both intelligent and wise beyond his years.

  I love the way he stood his ground like a mature man, told it like it is, but still retained a loving and respectful attitude to his mom, opening the invitation to have her in his life, but still expecting she respect his boundaries.

  Just great! If that doesn`t wake the ex up, I fear nothing ever will!

  Cog
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  The four stages of growth of JWD/JWN

  by Lady Lee in

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  every now and then i think how nice it would be if the board could go back to the way it was in some earlier time of its existence.

  when i was in university one of the main focuses of the counseling program i was in was group development and how it changes over time.

  jwn is like any group.

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  Great analysis of group dynamics, Lady Lee!

  I must confess, the 4th era of JWD has not interested me as much as the first 3. I missed the first but enjoyed going back and reading the old theological research posts.

  I guess the 4th era doesn`t interest me as much because my social skills are not something I feel I need to work on. (I could be kidding myself on that, though). That`s why I don`t read or post much anymore. I`m more focused on making a living right now. However, just because the group is not in a place that is working for me right now, does not mean that there is anything wrong with the group. It is still evolving and serving a useful function for many.

  I think that`s what so many posters get confused about. If you have outgrown a group, that does not mean the group needs to change. This is even the case with JW`s. Many of us outgrew that religion for many different reasons. If we are honest, though, just because we are through with it does not mean it has to be destroyed. On some level, it still provides something many people are seeking or needing at the moment (or think they need). That`s why they still have so many members. They are getting some payoff from the social group or religion.

  Trying to bring down the organization is a bit like trying to turn back the time on JWD. It`s just not going to happen. The org could die a natural death if enough members outgrow the need for it and so could this forum. The mostly likely way that will happen is through education, education, education!
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  question about judicial committee meetings

  by peaches in

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  a couple of young people about 20years old,,,,were involved with each....they went too far with the being alone situation....not sure if they reported themselves or some one else did...reguardless.....i guess the elders asked both of them extremely embarrassing questions and very very personal ones...like what kind of underwear she wore,,,,,did she have an orgasm.....etc etc..... i do not understand why this is done?????

  they went too far,,,acknowledged it,,,,met with the elders...why the deep personal questions??

  they already had all the information they needed...... i should know these things,,,being in the borg for 30 years...but i don't,,,i really do not understand why????

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  You don't understand why all these personal intimate questions are asked? Well, let me explain it to you...

  How else are the elders going to jack off later if they didn't get all the juicy details?
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  My Son's JW Mom Sends Him Condescending "Guilt Inspiring" E-Mail

  by flipper in

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  first of all- a little history.

  my ex-wife a fanatic jw seems to be in a pissing match ( not of my choosing ) with me over trying to get my son back into the jw cult.

  he's 25, been out of the witnesses since 17 and he is very happy with his life .he has a great girlfriend, he enjoys gardening growing his own vegetables and he is a performing singer/guitarist now writing songs and performing in front of hundreds of people .

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  Yep, some moms are really masters of the "guilt trip"! She ought to get an Oscar for that piece of dramatic writing!

  I'm 46 and I still occasionally get that kind of trip from my JW parents. It used to infuriate me, but now I can just laugh it off. I really think they can't help themselves sometimes.

  I'm more protective of my son though, when my parents or ex-husband try to guilt him like that. He's younger (20) and younger people are still a bit more attached to their parents opinions than us middle-agers. So I get your concern, Flipper. For me, there is just the tiniest little bit of fear that it might work some day, and I will lose my best bud back to that religion. Now that would really break this mother's heart!

  I'll tell you what my ex said to my son a few months ago. My ex had just been reproved for adultery and was divorcing me. My son wanted to live with his dad, try bacheloring it with the old man, and I was sad but OK with it. Then my ex told my son he couldn't live with him and his new wife unless he came back to the JW's as he was bad association. It seems my son said the f-bomb too much and that they didn't want him around the little step sister, being a bad influence and all.

  I laughed at the nerve of this when I first heard it. So let me get this straight....my son is bad association because he doesn't go to meetings and drops the f-bomb once in a while, but you and your girlfriend have just been publicly reproved for actually f**king other people's spouses and that doesn't make YOU bad association for the kid? Like I said, I had to laugh at the sheer nerve and hypocrisy of it!

  However, when I saw that my son was actually feeling hurt and rejected by this, I became livid. Mama tiger came out. How dare you make my son feel unworthy of you and your crap religion?

  I was really proud of him though. He told his dad, "thanks but no thanks, the cheap rent isn't worth the price your asking". I am proud of that boy sometimes! Heavy metal listening, satanic t-shirt wearing little rocker that he is! Anyway, he's living with me now and we get along better than ever and we are both just so relaxed now!

  I think your son will be just fine too, Flipper. Not many young people can resist the unconditional love and acceptance of the non-JW parent. In the end, that's all most kids want.

  So, this thread and email has really just made me want to hear your son's "Rebel" song that made his mother get so bent out of shape. Can you post a link?

  Cog
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  If you are living with a partner, is it a marriage?

  by Quillsky in

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  the definitions of partnerships are shifting.

  indeed, they are different around the world.. the law doesn't always protect good partnerships that aren't on paper, and sometimes the law protects truly bad partnerships that are on paper.

  the bible or church doesn't really have a definition of what a lawful "marriage" is.. i propose this..... if you set up home with a partner, you are "wed".

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  It may not technically be a marriage, but if you live with them for more than a year, they're still going to end up with half your stuff!
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  panty Hose at Meeting?

  by hamsterbait in

  1. watchtower
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  a friend of mine went to work in ny for a few months.. it was the middle of summer, and baking hot.. after the meeting an elder approached her and asked why wasnt she wearing panty hose at the kingdumb hell.. she said its too hot.. he said it disrespects jehoobie.. she said "so does staring at my legs during the meeting.".

  i have also heard complaints that a bra strap might be visible under a blouse, so cardigans should still be worn.. how do these creeps cope when sitting on a beach?.

  who was the gibbering buddy who sunbathed on the roof of beth hell showing off his packet in skimpy trunks?.

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  I don't think it's proper for men in the congo to be commenting on any of my underthings containing the word "panty" or "bra" in them!

  Oh and how did the women in Bible times ever manage to show the proper respect for Jehovah before pantyhose were invented?

  Oh and I would tell the elder that I was wearing pantyhose, the new super sheer kind that are so sheer it looks and feels like you aren't wearing anything at all! Care to feel my leg and see? They are truly amazing!

  Or...I would ask him if they had to be pantyhose or if thigh highs with garters were acceptable? And if I wear a thong or crotchless panties under my dress but nobody can tell is that disrespectful too or is that OK?

  What about knee highs? Or tights in the winter? What percentage of spandex or nylon should they contain before they become disrespectful? And what about my friend with the nylon allergy? Could she apply for special dispensation from the governing body for this or will she have to be reproved?
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  What is your race?

  by asilentone in

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  i am white and i am not prejudiced at all.

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  cognizant dissident

  Most of the answers on this thread show that most people are confusing nationality or cultural heritage with "race" which is a concept that biologists have proven does not exist with the decoding of the human genome.
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  WHAT IS YOUR REACTION AFTER SEEING THIS PICTURE?????

  by Scott77 in

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  cognizant dissident

  Yes but they still can't defy the laws of physics!
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  question about monitoring this site

  by peaches in

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  just got done reading a previous topic about elders monitoring this site...i have never heard of that!!!

  does anyone know if it is just brooklyn elders that do this,,,or are other elders assigned throughout the country????

  god,,,for creepy.....

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  cognizant dissident

  I always wondered about elders crashing an apostafest. Would they take pictures and names, or grab a plate of food?

  First they would grab a plate of free food, then they would take names and pictures!
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  Funny book review for "The Secret"

  by palmtree67 in

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  i was searching on amazon for books and came across this review.9,248 of 9,637 people found the following review helpful:the secret saved my life!, december 4, 2007by ari brouillette (kensington, ca united states) - see all my reviews.

  this review is from: the secret (hardcover) please allow me to share with you how "the secret" changed my life and in a very real and substantive way allowed me to overcome a severe crisis in my personal life.

  it is well known that the premise of "the secret" is the science of attracting the things in life that you desire and need and in removing from your life those things that you don't want.

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  cognizant dissident

  My best laugh of the week! I thought I was the only one who hated "The secret"!